YOU'RE AGAINST JESUS!

TO ME A WEIRD AND KIND OF CREEPY ARGUMENT THAT IS
ALWAYS, ALWAYS DONE
QUACKS

  


You see this everyone. In memes, in articles.

 Actually, I think that these endless attempts at shaming Christians to be a total waste of time. There is no way that they are going to smack themselves in the forehead and say "OMG. You're right. What have I done? I've gone against Jesus himself! I repent!"

Christianity itself is notoriously bad at even getting the message of the Golden Rule across to so many of its followers. Trying to shame them has never worked when they don't give a hoot.

 In addition, the "Jesus said this furry thing that makes us moist and YOU don't agree, you bad thing, do you?" approach makes for writing that is utterly vapid at best.

"You're not a REAL Christian!"  The argument is not very sophisticated to say no more.



This "you go against Jesus" piffle is not employed just by other Christians; it's done perhaps more often by people who aren't religious at all but pretend to be for the sake of this pointless argument.

The fervent and sanctimonious plea of the not-especially-religious for others to follow the true True TRUE! teachings of Jesus seems awfully disingenuous to me.

It's an awfully preachy way for non-believers to shame the religious. And disingenuous.

It's also awfully preachy for liberal Christians. And if I may say so, I don't think any liberal would like Jesus very much if he met him.
Michael Altman Soprano Shayne Dalva According to Mormon Christianity, he did come to America.
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Tom Cole Okay, the Republicans are scumbags. However, Jesus doesn't strike me as being liberal. Here are the Jesus fundamentals--without these basics there is no Jesus. 

Jesus believed you could inherit guilt for petty crimes committed before you were even born. 

Jesus believed in the contemptible and ghastly practice of human sacrifice to appease the gods. 

Jesus believed in the enslavement of human beings. 

Jesus invented hell for people who had the wrong religion.

Jesus devised the concept of eternal torment of the dead and currently personally manages the biggest and baddest super smokin' torture chamber in the known universe .
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Jacqueline Harris Tom Cole I think you’ll find that all of the above are from Paul, Timothy, John, etc. The only philosophy we have from Jesus’ own mouth (or closest thing to it) is The Sermon on the Mount in Matthew. The words in that are actually quite liberal and compassionate.
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Tom Cole I don't know much about this to tell you the truth. Do religious people say that Paul, Timothy, John, are any less the gospel than Matthew? In the Sermon on the Mount itself Jesus preaches hellfire and gives a lot of really, really bad advice. I just read it! :)

I do some cutting and pasting:

In Matthew 25, Jesus tells of a time when people will be separated into two groups, one entering into his presence, the other banished to “eternal fire." (This is not liberal or compassionate—especially towards people of other faiths.) Jesus calls hell a place of “outer darkness” (Matt. 25:30), comparing it to “Gehenna” (Matt. 10:28), which was a trash dump outside the walls of Jerusalem where rubbish was burned and maggots abounded. I read online from religious people who say that no one talks more about hell than Jesus. I'll take their word for it.

But to me these are all just made-up stories anyway and not very good ones either—about a man who may never have even lived at all. The Sermon doesn't seem any less made-up than John to me.

I always react when the Jesus meek and mild stuff is presented because It's not a good argument and the person giving it is usually not in the slightest bit religious and that lends a kind of icky, obsequious element to it. It reminds me of the efforts to Jesus-shame KKK members. They couldn't care less. And they've got Jesus on the side of slavery for starters. So it's not a good place to argue from. 

I guess I'm just not a fan of Jesus. That's all. Apart from my being against human sacrifice and torture chambers, perhaps it's because I've had a LOT of trouble with his fans who have no idea what the Golden Rule is.

In his lovely Sermon on the Mount, Jesus threatens you with torture
BY BLOODY FIRE.
NICE.
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.